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cool your things that people can

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experience in this world where

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experience anomalies are concerned the

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focus of investigations and debates

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ought to be on the causes not on the

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occurrences it's surely futile by now to

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argue that all anomalous experiences

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must bow to conventional explanations

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yet it's also unwise to extrapolate to

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freely from such experiences which may

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not mean all that they appear to mean in

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order to invent with no other

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justification than a witness's account

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in extraordinary phenomenological

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context in which the reported phenomenon

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is set to make sense anomalies of the

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highest ranges dwell in a twilight zone

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between the daylight of science and

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reason and the dark knight of dreams and

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superstition to say that you have seen

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one is not necessarily to say that the

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anomaly lives on in the world when it is

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not briefly occupying your vision and

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scaring the daylights out of you we may

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experience unbelievable things but our

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experiences of them may tell us nothing

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except that they can be experienced you

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can see a fairy or a mermaid or

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something comparably outlandish but

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however resonant the experience may be

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to you the rest of us cannot infer from

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your testimony that the such creatures

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are real in fact we can be pretty

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certain they aren't and that's all we

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can be sure of because what we've done

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here is to remove one explanation from

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consideration that such things exist at

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event level reality while failing to put

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another in its place still in conclusion

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this concept of experience anomalies

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relieves us of the false demands of

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literalism we no longer have to argue

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for the authenticity or in authenticity

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of the described phenomena not that a

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profound enigma does not remain a

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mystery of imagination culture

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perception consciousness being and more

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a mystery so impenetrable that it eludes

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vocabulary itself

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are very sense of the assumed

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relationship of event to experience

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happily though it removes us from the

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most onerous burden of all we can now

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believe our informants without having to

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believe their explanations Thank you

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Thank You Jerry its traditional in our

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organization that we always have time

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for questions now I'm in trouble yes

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there's one not really I know what

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you're talking about oh um the DMT

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literature right yeah but my familiar

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with it it's very slightly to the extent

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that I basically know what you're asking

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about that's about it a novelist and

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unusual experiences but that don't seem

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to make and they even are partially

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objective in the sense that people will

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retain what happened you know three

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years ago and they'll be back in the

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same place it's all evolved over the

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course of three years and so on but

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there doesn't seem to be any sort of

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normal objective evidence for them well

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that's very interesting that's something

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that I'm going to add look into I think

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that experience anomalies occurred all

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kinds of strange context I was reading

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Vincent Bugliosi book on the candy

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assassination and he just one of his

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chapters is devoted to a really kind of

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discordant event that doesn't really fit

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into kind of any kind of ordinary

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rational understanding of the history

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around the Kennedy assassination and it

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occurred to me that this might be an

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anomalous event I mean an experienced

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anomaly these things do occur in

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different contexts not just ones that

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are you know on their face anomalous and

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this is a real microphone so in your

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experience anomalies that you described

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it's of an individual who experiences

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something but there are also cases that

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you've described in which multiple

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individuals experience something so in

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that case that experience anomaly

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appears to be objective to multiple

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people and then finally there are other

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events such as this conference where

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everybody in this room is experiencing

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the same thing so this is an anomaly

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that's universally experienced so at

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what point do you call something an

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objective reality if if one peep one

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person experiences several or everybody

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I I think that otherwise I think it's

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Tomas be true that experience anomalies

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can be collectively perceived but

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they're generally confined to a small

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like generally usually as one individual

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but it can be a small group of

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individuals at the same time in place

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and that that's what makes experience

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anomalies you know so extraordinarily

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strange is that on you know they're

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there at their core I think objective is

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subjective but to tapping into something

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larger that has a kind of temporary

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Kwazii objectivity I think that as I

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said we're dealing with something that

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is probably beyond our vocabulary it's

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hard to talk about but is occurring all

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the time all around us on DMT I'll be

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touching on that briefly in my talk this

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uh since ultimately with some levels of

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indirection everything that we think we

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know about the world boils down to

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either our own experiences or the

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testimony of other people about their

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experiences and observations doesn't the

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idea that multiple people can share an

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experience that nevertheless is not real

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somewhat undermine the whole concept of

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evidence well yeah I think that's one of

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the points I was making that there are

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certain kind that the anomalous event is

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one for which evidence can be

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demonstrated and documented for example

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a close encounter the second kind r EF

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all leaves ground traces which can be

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taken into a laboratory and shown to be

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very strange may be suggestive of some

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unknown technology but somebody's vivid

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story of entering an otherworldly realm

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is only somebody's really vivid

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sensation and you can collect all kinds

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of reports of this otherworldly realm

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but you won't find that any two of them

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are the same they may they may have

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certain features in common but as I said

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in the lecture these claims are just too

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wildly variant to give us a coherent

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in the movie what the bleep there's a

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story told about natives that witnessed

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the arrival of Columbus's ships and that

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most of the natives that see this

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because it's something so far outside

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their experience they they actually

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don't see it at all it's almost

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invisible whereas the shaman of the

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group those that are used to seeing the

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sort of weirdness that goes on they're

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the only ones capable of seeing it

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anything at all like that resonate with

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your talk well I think that you know

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something profoundly strange and far

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beyond current knowledge is going on

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with these experience anomalies but so

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experience anomalies is not an

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explanation that's just a description a

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way of thinking about them and I think

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that it's clear that whatever is

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whatever the stimulus is is filtered

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through cultural expectation and

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consciousness it's like in some sense

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and extraordinarily anomaly of

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consciousness that's not all it is but